Alien & Predator

Subject: Alien & Predator Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:41 pm

Ok, cos i saw there is lot of different topic on this forum in off topic, i decided to make one where you put all your theory, things what you want to know and other here.

General Information:
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Alien:

Original title: Alien
Director: Ridley Scott
Script: Dan O'Bannon (re-write by Ronald Shusett) Walter Hill, David Giller (final Script)
Creature design: Hans Rudi Giger
Set: Hans Rudi Giger
Executif Producer: Ronald Shusett
Distribution house: 20th century fox

Aliens:

Original title: Aliens
Director: James Cameron
Script: James Cameron, Walter Hill, David Giller.
Creature design: Hans Rudi Giger/ Stan Witson Studio
Executif Producer: Gale Ann Hurd
Distribution house: 20th century fox

Alien^3

Oginal title: Alien^3
Director: David Fincher
Script: David Giller, Walter Hill, Larry Fergusson
Creature design: Animatronic Dynamic & Inc. (ADI)
Executif Producer: Ezra Swerldo
Distribution house: 20th century fox

Alien Resurrection:

Original title: Alien: The Resurrection
Director: Jean-Pierre Jeunet
Script: Josh Whedon
Creature design: Animatronic Dynamic & Inc. (ADI)
Co-Producer: Sigourney Weaver
Distribution house: 20th century fox

Predator:

Original title: Predator
Director: John McTiernan
Script: Jim Thomas, John Thomas
Creature design: Stan Witson Studio
Producers: Joel Silver
Distribution house: 20th century fox

Predator 2:

Original title: Predator 2
Director: Stephen Hopkins
Script: Jim Thomas, John Thomas
Creature design: Stan Witson Studio
Producers: Joel Silver, Jim Davis, Lawrence Gordon.
Distribution house: 20th century fox

My reviews:

Alien:
One of the most important Science Fiction / Horror movie, for me Alien is in my heart forever. Ridley Scott for his second movie did a great work and spectaculary. I can't stop to watch it again and again. The movie is still scary after more than 20 years.
8.3/10

Aliens:
A Great Inovation and lot of new things in this sequel, for me James Cameron maked an admirable work in this movie and invented a new side of the Xenomorph species. The default i found is just Alien are bugs and fresh meat for marines in this movie and not silence killer pro like the first movie.
8.2/10

Alien^3:
Well, when i saw it i was disappointed than the previous movie. The movie isn't bad at all, but there is some kind of things which didn't work. There is a thing i hate in this movie that's the team try to killed Ripley and fuck up Giger. ADI broke the original creature and stole some art from hans Rudi for make their own alien design... i hate them for do that. Fincher isn't innocent too.
5.8/10

Alien Resurrection:
Same as Alien^3 i was disappointed. Original Ripley character had totaly lost her attitude from previous movie. The mercenary are funny, but it's just like the USCM in Aliens, just they do some illegal things.
Technically the movie is good, it's just the script which had some problem.
5.7/10

Predator:
Too many thing to say. Arnold Schwarzenegger had a true role in this movie. He acted like a god. The Predator creature is wonderfull. It's in the same way like alien when you don't see a lot the creature but you enjoy cos there is a lot of suspense, action, ...
The story is great, the idea of an aliens hunter is maybe one of the greattest one at my opinion. It's just call back to the reallity there is a chain, Human track Animals, Predator track humans.
8.9/10

Predator 2:
Lot of people were disappointed than the first Predator movie (most of all cos there isn't Arnold). For me, i enjoyed more Predator 2 than the first one. It's exactly the same team movie making than the first movie, just the director (stephen hopkins) isn't the same. We know the creature (because we saw the first movie) so it hadn't to hide it all along the movie.
Danny Glover is extraordinary too like in the same way of Arnold for me. His humour is great, he acted well and had a great cop sense, i liked it.
The end surprised me a lot with the Predator ship. I like the alien skull in the trophy chamber (just an hommage to the comic from Dark Horse).
The idea to put the predator into urban place was great too. It's more open than jungle and the hunting ground is better.
9.1/10

Ok, it was general informations and my review, then people has different opinion, you can send them there, and talk about the movies.

(PS: Don't talk about AvP guys, it doesn't exist. If you did, message = delete.)

Subject: Re: Alien & Predator Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:18 pm

I agree compleatly Alien+Aliens,Predator 1-2 Some of the greates horror/action/scifi fillms of all time! :heart: I will always chose one of them over the [censure] series silent

and the best thing is.......
ARNIE IS THE GOVINATOR!! :affraid:

Subject: Re: Alien & Predator Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:32 pm

Sigourney Weaver acting pretty good too. She is better than lot of famous actor. I think she was the best to played Elen Ripley in all Alien movie. I just was disappointed in alien^3 where she act a little different than Alien and Aliens and about Alien Resurrection the approch of the movie is wreid... i don't know what exactly Jean Pierre Jeunet was wanted to do with Ripley character but it's not the greattest role that she had.

Arnold Schwarzenegger Act very good too. He is made for this type of Character (i mean Terminator one, or military) cos he is Mister univers. His humour is very good too, like the one military humour in Aliens with Apone and Hudson. (I like Bill paxter, he is great in Predator 2 too).

All movie has different side of the creature. Some are very good and make good inovation, other are failure.

For alien franchisen at my opinion, the thing which decreasing the franchise was ADI and Fincher (started to argue with Hans Rudi Giger during the production of alien^3 movie).
Tom Woodruff and Alec Gillis stole the work of H.R. Giger (if you want the story: http://www.hrgiger.com/frame.htm > Alien's Giger > Alien^3 >J'accuse, Alienated, Shit Happens .)
That's mayb a part of the reason why After Aliens from James Cameron, the creature are totally different and the movie don't use the same side of the creature. Maybe the fault of ADI who was wanted to make their own creature and stole the Giger Concept. "They killed my baby" said Hans Rudi Giger. I think i understand why. That's a reason why i hate Alien^3. Maybe cos they try to killed Ripley too and finish the franchise with a shitty end.
A great thing with Alien Resurrection, that's Ripley is back (yeah the movie isn't the greattest one) but it's an answer to say "NO! don't kill Ripley, Cameron and Scott must finish the work that they begun".

But apparently cos a New franchise make shit... we gonna never seen Alien V at screen...

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Here is a question for all, do you all believe that the Colonial Marines are in the need of an equipment update ? In terms of body armor do you believe they appear outdated ? 1950-1970ish (Vietnam War era) ?

Do you believe that their small arms could use an update too ? Some attachments such as sites and other components to their small-arms instead of bare-bones ?

To many the UCMC that I had spoken too they appear to be a futuristic military concept of the 1970's.

Subject: Re: Alien & Predator Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:29 pm

James Cameron make them good i found. Actually, i find Alien and Aliens movie more futurist than Alien^3 and Aliens Resurrection.
I don't think United States Colonial Marines need to have update them equipement. All armor, weapons, tools are good and futuristic for me.
I agree there is a part of "old fashion" now but it doesn't need lot of change. Maybe just touch a little the design but Equipement work well for me in the movie.
I'm not sure touch to USCM is a good idea. For me they are perfect.
(Yes i'm a young guy from the Old Generation who like old movie and thing in it Razz

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Subject: Re: Alien & Predator Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:35 pm

just to clear some things up..aliens doesnt take place TOO far in the future. The events of aliens supposdly take place during the year 2179
They may not look very futuristic...but the ideas and concepts behind their weapons and equitment are CRAZY futuristic.

5th Rank Joined : 14 Jan 2008 Posts : 103

In terms of their weapons it is good as it is in terms of design, it can probably use attachments like a futuristic "Acog" for example or "Reflex sights" or a "laser sighting", ect. There are recent futuristic small-arms (Military and Police) concepts and the Pulse Rifle appears to fit in with the majority of those.

In terms of body armor in Aliens film for example the armor looks 1950-1970ish Korean War-Vietnam Era. But I can understand since the equipment and ideas they had on mind for future equipment was based on that time.

Subject: Re: Alien & Predator Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:53 pm

ARC TROOPERS BABY! sry Embarassed

but ya I would like to see some changes to their armor and a diffrent type of pistol... I dont know the clases but heres my ideas,
Mariens: All come with shoulder lamps and NV: GL load out is, 1) Larger version of pulser grenades grenades 2) Timed shrapinal grenades(lovem :heart: ) 3) sensor Grenades (smaler blast radous but still has a time limet to prevent spam!) 4) NAPALM GRENADES!! :D

Sargent: H=100,A=150 1) standard combat knife 2) heavy caliber Magnum 3) 6Rnd Auto shotgun, still single load shells or slugs 4) Standard Pulser: Motion Tracker+Hacking Device+Torch+Flairs

Riflemen:H=100,A=150 1) SCK 2) Auto Pistol, 20r magazien 3) Enhanced Pulser(has x2 zoom) 4) Flamethrower: HD+T+Hand Grenades

Sniper) H=100,A=75 1)SCK 2) Silenced Pistol 3) cutdown pulsrifle (no grenades+silenced) 4) Sniper Rifle: HD+T+HG

Demolitions:H=100,A=175 1) SCK 2) HCMagnum 3) Standard Pulser 4) Grenade lancher/Rocketlancher: HD+T+C4+HG

Support:H=100,A=100 1) SCK 2) Auto Pistol/3) SG/ Cut downpulser(no silence) +flamethrower: HD+T+Ammo-Health drop.

Subject: Re: Alien & Predator Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:31 pm

I don't know what

5th Rank Joined : 14 Jan 2008 Posts : 103

That was one of the many ideas, my good sir. Wink

But I'm sure most here know the direction where I am going with this, regarding the USCM's. The Quake Wars Human faction for instance, it's total military equipment appears futuristic and ideal but the idea or concept for that formulated recently, in recent history. Remember, I'm not belittling the USCM it but thinking of ideas to modernize the concept. Since a few folks had mentioned it to me.

The Armor, which some folks believe is outdated, looking later mid 20th century

A Reflex site system would go smoothly with this..

Beautiful gun, where is the sighting on this ? Iron Sites ?

Subject: Re: Alien & Predator Sat Feb 09, 2008 1:57 am

hhaaahahaaa...(leg twitches jsut a bit) :drunken: must build that gun!

Subject: Re: Alien & Predator Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:43 am

The Body armour itself looks fine to me, functional and most likely lightweight.

Read the Aliens manual, has alot of background info on USCM tech, and that armour has alot of different layers in it which break down and splinter apart rounds that attempt to penetrate it.

The Pulse Rifle would look crap if you added or took away anything. The weapon is a thing of beauty imo and it is purely functional. Extend the stock and you have a full rifle, keep it short, you have a carbine to use in close quarters.

And if ya read that Aliens manual, the soldiers comment on how reliable the thing is... Dunk it in sand, dirt, dust etc, just pick it up, tap out the crud and it fires first time.

They werent too keen on the M56 Smartgun till they worked out the kinks though. Before they figured out alot of the initial problems, it would get clogged easily, jam at the worst moments, dust would interfere with the IR lenses and auto tracking, etc. Once they worked out that lot though, twas a good gun.

Subject: Re: Alien & Predator Sat Feb 09, 2008 4:15 am

5th Rank Joined : 14 Jan 2008 Posts : 103

There is more to what we see in the movie or reproduced models or reproduction USCM actors ? Draw us a picture my friend. cheers

I'm not saying everything appears outdated just certain aspects of the USCM. A lot of people mentioned this to me also when speaking of several Sci-Fi militaries. Honestly, there is nothing wrong with adding some components or gadgets, to the PR even like Flex sightings. We can expand the world of A&P.

Subject: Re: Alien & Predator Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:40 am

DOH!

laser tag pulse rifle... thing!!! >_<
Alright, I post a picture lil later this weekend.