Alienz... Warriors, Drones, Castes, Aging, ...

Last edited by AJL on Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:13 am; edited 2 times in total

So... Your theories of aliens... Does they have smooth heads when they are
young and turn into to those wrinkled bugs we see in Aliens as they get older
or are they different castes ??

Or something else ?

Fact was Drone/Warrior (whatever you want) in Aliens had this "glass" thing on their head.
The problem was the following, James Cameron wanted complex scene (as fast movement of Alien) and some special positions.
The glass thins on the alien head didn't allow to make such movement and was break everytime they made a shot.
They finally decided to remove it and they explained that as Alien get it when they grew up, they get a stronger exo-skeleton.

Then how can we call them... Alien in Aliens are "Warrior" (they work for the hive => protect / defend / attack).

The drone is the Alien from the first Alien movie, a lonely soldier who prepare the hive (making egg to make born a queen from biological material as seen in Alien).

The runner in Alien³ is also a drone.
Mission: eradicate everything to prepare the future generation.

Sincerely... it's just a question of a name... and that's dumb, let it how it is AJL it's fine.

young drone smooth exoeskealton older one warrior hard exo that means its stronger and has more health but slwoer and less manvourable

the fact that aliens reley on ambush rahter than a running assult would make the fact of manvourablity not limit it to the hive i think alien just does a task when its needed any task thats how they learn best.

so jsut flip flop the textures of heads and make drone fatser and more manvuorable your good to go.

Le Celticant has right course as i see and what i think too,when those movies were maked i doubt no-one think or plan anykind caste or age stage system at least seriously and reasons why every movie and seguels of them is different without logical reason or explanation is merely different opinion about how thigs should be done with each director how is making them just like Celt say,mainly it's cause someone want make it like he chooses that other has previously planned otherwise or cause restrictions of reality,in 80' it probably wasn't possible make scene where glass headed alien leap on wall to surface without head crashing so they need change it and therefore they need explain it all again so we get this "grow" system.

I have allways keep it that way->there is only one alien stage after host bursting worm stage and queen is all together it's own strain which is "breeded" inside queen when overall numbers of aliens inside hive is reached and thus forced new queen to emerge to make new hive with numbers of following adult aliens from previous hive,how queen is then "breeded" if only eggs remain is question which we like to explain same unrealistic easy way as we want explain everything because we lack wisdom of biological understanding,there is no magic way to suddenly raise queen from asshes and therefore queen is as important as vulnerable like any key element with every society.
if aliens truly are weapons then those who engineered them also breed them and that stage they choose numbers of "sacrificed" workes and probably 1 queen strain for every few hundreds or thousand expendable strain,when eggs are breeded they froze them inside stasis to wait orbital launch,after launch and release aliens start look host and IF queen is able to merge then they start protect it and create hive,when hive has survive long enough and raise enough full grown adult aliens new gueen is breeded by biological clock or some other what affects every alien closeby..probably somesort electric or magnetic field that every living being has,if someone suggest pheromones then i suggest looking alien head again

so this was my original opinion which i still hold quite truth but i change it cause it look like adult alien can also lay eggs on director's cut and idea of aliens growing harder carapace is too great idea,these are opinions i have accepted cause i want accept them but i still has that pure fully explained version on my mind Rolling Eyes

what comes rest of movies i don't even care

but names of those 2 adult stage hmm scratch

as clear it is still naming them is not and i throw few different options here to wonder->

pre-mature/mature form
juvenile/adult form
young stage/mid-stage/old stage (if they grow beyond "aliens" aliens)
new born/full grown

reason i don't use drones or warriors or similar is cause we can't name them by that we don't have slightest clue what creators planned when they designed them and if one alien is drone then what it means?is it alien building hive only? or is warrior able only kill? those are incorrect names giving incorrect ideas about what each alien does and thats why we need neutral scientific names telling only stage of alien..i strongly believe every adult alien can do excatly same thing no matter what stage it is and only difference is that new born is softer thus more silently/agile/faster and full grown has silicon based outer carapace or skin thus making it withstand damage better and other benefits/weakness it has

one thing we also need correct is this cool sounding exo-skeleton what you keep repeating,there is 2 kind skeletal systems we humans know inner and outer skeleton and i doubt alien has either of them,true outer skeleton is what insects have where everything inside is soft liquid body fluids and outer shell keeps it together,other what mammals have is more knowed inner skeletal system where bones protect important organs and keep muscle mass in order and i haven't never seen anykind broken bones/silicon structure when alien is killed on movies or it has limbs rip off,if alien has inner skeleton then those should be seen when limb is severed also alien outer shell doesn't look or feel true outer skeleton either but beetween those two skeleton system,what it looks like is mix of hard silicon struturity on key locations and biological grown structurity rest of areas..alien is like mix of living being/machine but still ain't fully either..also it feels like insect/humanoid mammal but ain't fully either of them too.
i can't yet say sure what and how alien skeletal system is done or does it have anykind like it at all..looks like it's mix of both systems

umm they have an exoskealton and exoseks protect your organs better they also cause more air pressure which would explain why acid squrits out of an alien and i dont think they should be named drone and warrior just young drone and old drone. and i dont think there si a caste system they just do what has to be done.

and why did you get rid of the topic i posted about aleins amantmy.

AGM, they should be called Warriors, since they are like those big ants you find in an Ant Mound. The BIG what are they called? Army Ants?

Well anyway, the Warriors are much stronger than drones, and the fact that all the Aliens seems pretty smart, but in ALIENS, all the Aliens are Warriors, so...they must be smarter somehow.

God, just imagine if the Aliens discovered space flight.

The Alien in ALIEN was a Drone.

The Alien in Alien3 was a Drone like Le Celt said...

The Aliens in Alien Resserection were Drones...

And on a side note.

The Aliens in AVP were drones...

And somehow the Aliens in AVPR all magically turned into Warriors, but lets ignore that.

Well drones and warriors are the same thing pretty much, soldier ants (the warriors) are radically different from the workers, their much larger and posess a pair of pinsirs which i wouldn't like to screw with. As for my opinion it's where the alien that is born that effects it's carapace.

Worker.

Soldier.

Aliens xeno

Alien xeno

umm aliens are diffrent from ants and both the aliens came from the same host it just all depends on age not class i dont even know why theres a runner or peatorion or predalien but everyone just sticks with those ideas?

that must mean there must be a COW ALIEN!!!!! :D :pig:

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I would compare xenomorphs to insects. One who works to keep the hive intact (drone) and powerful soldier ants who protect the nest and provide food (warrior).

true warrior its split up betwwen jobs
1. protect the hive

2. get host for feeding

dornes

1. build hive

2. attend to eggs and queen

3. scout for more territory (sence there more aglie and faster they will do it better)

3. transport host and food throughout the hive

i think these jopbs are the most senablie and warrior is obuily the older one.

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They sound quite reasonable. Dunno anything about Praetorians, but if I'd have to guess, I would say that they are ready-queens... If the queen shall die, new one will replace the old one. Also the Praetorians are fit to be the last protection for the queen.... as them being big and strong, they could give quite a resistance against hostile forces.

In my opinion the aliens with wringled heads primarily work in the hive (as they can easily blend
into the walls in there) they build, maintain and defend it... And in fight they rely on their armour
and numbers to overwhelm their opposition...

And the aliens with smooth heads work outside... Scouting the area, Hunting for prey and maybe
start new hives in remote locations. Their armour haven't hardened yet and so don't give so much
protection but it don't hinder them as much either... so they are stronger, faster and more agile...
but as they can't take much punishment and usually don't have backup they rely more on stealth.

And they are both the same "caste"... that is Worker... Aliens first have smooth heads and work
alone and then return to the hive as they get older...

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And I think Praetorians might be undeveloped "supressed" Queens... While there is a fully
developed and active Queen in the hive it emits some pheromones or something that halts
the developement of other Queens... Limiting them to the state of "Praetorian"... But they
continue their developement if the existing Queen is taken out of the equation...

but drones the younger one cant fight well and doesnt have much stragey for hunting so they should be more of a worker class in the soical inscet world the youngest always attend to the nest of hive and the older ones are always warriors and yes warriors protect the hive do becuase they can camophalge i think what the younger drones in that case might try to seal the queen chamber like what termites do to protect her or maybe move her to anther secret chamber, and if preatorions the backup why would you risk the backup what if they both die then theres no backup.

In insect world.. I think workers are born workers and warriors are born warriors... its not about age...

And stragey ?? you mean strategy ?? I doubt aliens think quite that much... They may do some thinking
on tactical level >> maybe << but not higher than that... And if you compare the perfomance of those
younger smooth head aliens to the perfomance of the older ones... I think those young ones seems a
lot more effective...